Live from the ground of Australia’s detention centres
Thursday 16 February, 2012
Today we spoke to dozens of asylum seekers at Christmas Island’s Phosphate Hill detention complex. Phosphate Hill is where families and children are detained.
In stark contrast to the desperately unhappy men we had met in the nearby detention centre, the families here were positive and hopeful for the future.
But detention is still a harsh environment. The centre is fairly small, and enclosed by a fence. Officers are everywhere. Children don't really have anywhere to play. People must be escorted on their (fairly limited) excursions, and 24 hour security cameras are always watching.
So, why the upbeat atmosphere?
There is a simple answer. These families have been locked up for less than three months. They are still basking in the fact that, after fleeing violence and terror, they are finally safe. They still believe Australia will treat them fairly, and are focused on getting the chance to build a life here, to find jobs, to learn English, and to fit in at school.
But as I've seen too many times during this trip, much of the spirit I saw today will be lost after another three, six, or 12 months of indefinite detention. When these people are eventually released into the community, they will need time and help to regain the spark that long-term detention inevitably destroys.
In some ways the sunny atmosphere in Phosphate Hill was a welcome balm after the horrors of the past weeks. But, as I remember scenes from the day – the group of teenage girls shrieking with laughter at something an officer said; the three-year-old twins who grinned at me from behind their mother when I waved; and the gentle father who had lost one son, but was desperate for the chance to protect his remaining children – I am simply incredulous that we lock these people up, let alone for months or years.

Scenes from Phosphate Hill detention centre on Christmas Island, where children and families are detained © AI
Wednesday 15 February, 2012
Alex talks about her experience inspecting the extremely remote Christmas Island detention centre, located 2,600km northwest of Perth.
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"It is really horrible to see that this detention centre - which really does create a whole lot of awful and serious mental health issues - then has to create a whole lot of harsh management regimes to control the behaviour that is inevitable."
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Tuesday 14 February, 2012
After spending a day wandering around Christmas Island detention centre, my notebook is full of some pretty horrifying numbers:
16 months in detention. Granted refugee status after 14 months. Been waiting 2 months for security clearance.
18 months in detention. Received a negative decision after 8 months. Been waiting 6 months for a review interview.
17 months in detention. Granted refugee status after 13 months. Passed security assessment 2 months ago. Waiting to be issued a Visa.
16 months in detention. Been waiting 7 months for a review interview.
20 months in detention. Granted refugee status 8 months ago. Waiting for security clearance.
There are around 140 men on Christmas Island who have been in detention for over a year now. They've had hundreds and hundreds of days with nothing to do but stare at the fences and worry about their family back home, about the outcome of their case, about their uncertain future and what could await them if they are returned home. And as they worry, they are enclosed in a small compound with other men equally upset and anxious.
The most damaging thing is that they have no idea when this ordeal will end, and no one can give them any answers.
One man showed me a Law and Society high school text book he had been reading and said, "So much talk of justice and fairness in this book. I do not think what is happening in this place matches what they are teaching the Australian children."
Monday 13 February, 2012
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For a facility built to house asylum seekers, not prisoners, the detention centre on Christmas Island certainly feels a lot like a jail. It is a mass of fences, cages, and locked doors. There are just so many high, electrified fences with barbed wire and cameras on the top. As we walked around the compound our escort would use his security pass to swipe us into an area, and then close the door behind us. Suddenly we would be in a cage, in a cube of criss-crossed steel.
The more secure areas, the Red and White compounds, were even more confronting. Grey corridors echoed with the sound of heavy metal doors definitively clunking closed. A tiny peephole in these same doors looks into a small bare room where the door to the bathroom has been removed and there is a surveillance camera above the bed.
The main Blue, Green and Gold compounds - where most asylum seekers are kept - are better. While still small and fenced in, they are more open and built around green lawn. However, it is clear that life is more restrictive than ever in the centre. In the past men have been free to come and go between the compounds, but now the doors and gates are locked, and men inside have to be signed out and go though at least two security doors to leave for medical appointments, interviews, to use the internet or just meet their friends in other parts of the complex.
It's true these men are fed, given medical assistance, offered activities, and even excursions. And it's also true that at least on Christmas Island asylum seekers are safe from the dangers in their home country. But this type of hyper-restrictive environment is simply not appropriate for long term imprisonment of people who have committed no crime.
As one local who regularly visits the men said:
"For the first little while their main concern is what they've fled from - the bullets, the war. But after about six months their anxiety and depression is focused around what our country is doing to them - locking them up with no reason, and no end point."
How sad for Australia that we have created facilities that compete with the horrors of persecution in Afghanistan or Iran.
Friday 10 February, 2012
Here is a conversation I had with Mahdi, an Hazara Afghan refugee in detention.
Me: How long have you been detained in Australia?
Mahdi: 14 months in total. First Christmas Island, then Curtin for 10 months and now I've been in the Perth centre for more than 2 months.
Me: And what is the best and the worst thing about detention?
Mahdi: The best thing? You want a good thing? [Thinks for a long time] I've learnt a lot of lessons.
Me: Like English?
Mahdi: Hah. Like how people define humanity. I have seen the best and the worst types of people. I never expected an experience like this in a country like Australia.
Me: Is it better here [Perth] than Curtin?
Mahdi: Not really. I am still locked in. I suppose in Curtin I was busier because I helped other asylum seekers learn English and helped with translating their documents, and I had more friends. I wasn't two metres away from guards all day every day, unlike here. But at least in Perth I can have visitors, that helps.
Me: How do you feel about Australia?
Mahdi: When I arrived I was really happy. The Navy treated us really kindly, they told us we were safe. They said when we were in Australia we would see that people are kind, they said Australians would help us.
But in Christmas Island I met people in detention who had been there for a very long time. I started to get worried. Then in Curtin I saw lots if people hurt themselves and try to suicide. I thought they were foolish, stupid. But after a while understood - no matter how smart you are that is just what detention does to you.
Me: You just got your refugee status, so what are your plans for the future?
Mahdi: I think I need to study a bit more so my IT degree is recognised in Australia. Then I just want to work, live a normal life.
*Name has been changed to protect the identity of the interviewee.
Wednesday 8 February, 2012
We've had a whole day in Perth now, and I think I’ve washed off most of Curtin’s red dirt. But what is not so easy to get rid of are the faces of the men that I met up north, and the stories that they told me.
I met a young Afghan man who had been in detention for over two years. He placed a large bag of empty pill packets in front of me and explained that that he was too confused in the head to dial numbers on the phone, and had to beg other detainees to dial for him. He said:
"I feel like no one is helping me. They give me food, shampoo, clothes - everything I need except freedom. I just want to go outside."
I met an Iranian who was consumed by nightmares of boats sinking, and had lost 18 kilos in detention. After three months he hadn’t even been interviewed by immigration officials yet.
I met an Afghan man who fled to Iran, where he was deported four times, so he went to Malaysia where he was locked up and beaten. He told me:
"If there were any options for us in Malaysia we wouldn’t have gone through with this."
I met a Sri Lankan man whose eyes were dull, black pools of despair. He talked calmly of suicide, and explained that he has stopped calling his mother because the sadness in his voice caused her too much distress.
Nearly all of these men asked, with sad polite smiles on their faces:
"Is there anything you can do to help me? Can you get us out of here?"
Tuesday 7 February, 2012
Alex Pagliaro talks about her experience inspecting Curtin Immigration Detention Centre.
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Unfortunately our camera wasn't allowed behind the fences, but we did get to look through them. Since the last time we visited Curtin Immigration Detention Centre, ingenious asylum seekers have turned the barren, red dirt into a flowery oasis!
Monday 6 February, 2012
Life inside Curtin detention centre:
- In Curtin there are 22 computers, but the net is slow it takes 30 mins to log in and detainees only get an hour a day
- In Curtin many of the phones to call home, lawyers, Amnesty etc are broken. The lines to use working ones can be very long
- In Curtin the longest time a man has been detained is 831 days
- In Curtin there are 931 asylum seekers and refugees from more than 9 countries
- In Curtin the asylum seeker soccer team hasn't lost a match against the local Derby team
In many ways, our first day at Curtin detention centre was full of pleasant surprises.
Far from the barren wasteland of Amnesty's last visit, trees, grass and shrubs now cover the compound. In fact, detainees grow so much produce they donate it to a local charity in the nearby town of Derby.
Detainees can now take excursions out of the centres. Most we spoke to had been into the town at least once. Groups have been able to volunteer in town and help landscape the local nursing home, as well as an Aboriginal women’s association.
We spoke privately with detainees, and their comments about staff and facilities were overwhelmingly positive.
Less surprisingly, many that we spoke to had been detained for one to two years, sometimes more. For these men, it seemed that activities were meaningless in overcoming the extreme frustration and despair they experienced.
How do you maintain hope when, despite not committing any crime, you are denied your freedom for so long and no one can even tell you when your ordeal will end? As one young Afghan said:
"I am not a criminal, I am not a thief. So why do they lock me up for so long? They have no reason".
Friday 27 January, 2012
Next Saturday I’ll be leaving my desk to spend two weeks visiting some of the most remote detention facilities in the country - Christmas Island, Curtin, Perth and Darwin. I’ll be meeting with officials and staff at the centres as well as speaking with external service providers, but most importantly I’ll be meeting with as many asylum seekers as possible.
I'll be communicating as we go as much as is technically (there’s barely any phone coverage in some places) possible, and you can follow it right here on this blog as well as on twitter (via @amnestyoz and @alexpagliaro) where we'll be using the hashtag #behindthefences
Then after the trip, join me on Amnesty's Facebook page for a live Q&A about what I saw and who I met.
Comment below if you have any particular questions about detention centres that you want me to look into, and I’ll do my best to find answers. And I’ll also be trying to answer questions.
And most importantly, pass this blog on to as many friends as possible. Debate around this issue is so often characterised by misinformation and confusion, this is an amazing opportunity to see who the people behind the fences really are.
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Comments
Kim asher | Posted on 22 May 2012, 01:03AM | Report comment
So refugees can legally leave their country but can not legally enter other countries? Where are they supposed to go- the MOON?! Most refugees don’t even KNOW where they are going when they set out- they pay an agent and say “get me out of here!” Those leaving Afghanistan and Pakistan, for example, tend to get funnelled to Australia, because that’s the way those lines work. And there’s no point any of them trying to stay in Indonesia and Malaysia because they get treated like dogs there.
ShutDown101 | Posted on 21 May 2012, 08:00PM | Report comment
Hey Alex,Whilst refugees may have the right to flee their country - they do not posses the right to choose which country they flee to… here is what the government department of immigration has to say
“International law recognises that people at risk of persecution have a legal right to flee their country and seek refuge elsewhere, but does not give them a right to enter a country of which they are not a national. Nor do people at risk of persecution have a right to choose their preferred country of protection.”
Therefore these people are still illegally entering our country, and do not have the right to legally do so until they are prosessed. These people can legally seek refuge in other countries - but from there the choose to continue onto Australia ILLEGALLY
Alex Pagliaro | Posted on 21 May 2012, 11:45AM | Report comment
Hi there ShutDown101,
I appreciated that this issue is often confusing, but much of what you say is simply not based in fact.
Under international and Australian law an asylum seeker is anyone who has left her country of origin and is asking for refugee status but has not yet gone through the assessment process. A refugee is anyone who faces persecution due to her race, religion, nationality, political opinion or social group.
Also according to the law, the number of borders an asylum seeker crosses is irrelevant if they have been unable to find safety in any of the countries they crossed through.
Further, according to international and domestic law, it is not illegal to seek asylum. Anyone, whether they come from Somalia, Afghanistan or East Timor, has the legal right to arrive in Australia and ask for refugee status. When this happens Australia’s own laws state that they must be assessed and if found to be a refugee offered protection.
Cheers, Alex
Smelly Muutt | Posted on 2 May 2012, 01:06PM | Report comment
Hello Josh.
I agree with all of your comments.
balochshah | Posted on 26 March 2012, 11:22PM | Report comment
Everyday is a hope for these refugee people who left their country to be safe and live a good life.I feel their deep nerve how their are suffering because im also in the same ship
Matt wayde | Posted on 25 March 2012, 05:07PM | Report comment
Something definitely has to give. These individuals must be given more support and quicker access to processing. I understand the security clearance takes a long time. And i applaude the department for weeding out those who would cause harm. Soldiers responsible for these artrocities . Terrorists and mass murderers . Unfortunately you would find the delays are caused in part due to the number of cases. The over worked staff and most importantly each department and the communication between these entities. Each having to review the documentation submitted to their department. Visa’s for example . For an australian citizen this can take months without waiting for documentation from imigration. What is happening tothese people is wrong yes. But surely it is the flawed process that is to blame. Would we want to allow a serial rapist into the country ? The answer is no. We need a process that is quick but also in depth enough that we do not let monsters into this. Country . But provide a service that effective and looks at the situation holistically. Why aren’t the security cleared assylum seekers put into a town situation. You could still provide the security neccicary . But remove the damaging environment of a facility. Not the best situation but for a transition step it may be the next best thing. Families could have their own homes and small communities would benefit . The refugees could live unrestricted and unisolated . They could go to school. Find employment . Until they got their visa’s thAn there would be less impact on their mental health.
John | Posted on 16 March 2012, 11:21PM | Report comment
Freedom of expression limited to 2000.
Please publish this comment.
Just after seeing some homeless people in Melbourne .
Compared them to these refugee camps the asylum seekers are in heaven.
Let us take in refugees in an orderly manner from real refugee camps.
bathroomrenovation77 | Posted on 16 March 2012, 06:39PM | Report comment
Great story about your Phosphate hills and Detention center of Australia . Alex , you are facing many problems in this awful adventure such as mental issues . But this journey gave you a great experience that always you have to share. Keep it up.
bathroom renovations perth | Posted on 16 March 2012, 06:29PM | Report comment
Great story about your Phosphate hills and Detention center of Australia . Alex , you are facing many problems in this awful adventure such as mental issues . But this journey gave you a great experience that always you have to share.
Ken W | Posted on 28 February 2012, 08:48AM | Report comment
I admire your strength and determination Alex. The more reading I do the less positive I become. It seems that there are too many things in the world that define “otherness” and that is a problem. What you are doing is highlighting the similarities and encouraging people to embrace differences. Stay strong.
Jim Sharp | Posted on 27 February 2012, 07:27PM | Report comment
And I thought the ALP was bad.
Some of the language in some comments is rather polarising, if not a little vicious, from people I thought were on the same side.
Keep it up Alex and Graham.
balochshah | Posted on 22 February 2012, 09:53AM | Report comment
Thanks for letting us know the experience of dentention center why flee their homeland and came here for good future what they have suffer and Australia is the country to be safe hope for good future
Victoria of Perth | Posted on 17 February 2012, 08:20PM | Report comment
Credit where credit is due: Amnesty Int’s Graham Thom was brilliant in his commentary this morning.
Belinda | Posted on 17 February 2012, 08:15PM | Report comment
I refer to Lucy’s comment, below. What was appealing about
The great thing about the Christmas Island Volunteer Program was that most of the associated costs (air fare, accommodation, etc) were covered by ALIV. That’s certainly appealing to cash-strapped students like myself.
Unfortunately, they stopped running the program before I had the chance to participate.
My question is for Alex and anyone else in the know: Do any other organisations run volunteer programs to Xmas Island?
Cheers
lauren | Posted on 16 February 2012, 07:47PM | Report comment
some of the stuff you guys stand up for are basic human rights that i take for granted.
John | Posted on 16 February 2012, 12:11AM | Report comment
Well, I am one of the people who is locked up here for a long time and nobody can understand what I am going through,but only God. By reading the comments here, I find myself in a dilemma: Who to trust, X , Y or nobody ? who to seek help from, X , Y or God? who to share feelings with X ,Y or your loneliness and silence? Who to share the worst lifetime, unforgettable nightmares in detention, X,Y or the nightmare sources?
I hope you understand what I mean by nightmare sources.
Amanda & Warra | Posted on 15 February 2012, 02:37AM | Report comment
Keep up the great work Alex. Your blog is very insightful and allows those of us who are not able to visit the detention centres and see first hand how the refugees are being treated some insight into the conditions.
I must say it seems like some comments seem to be more of a personal attack on Alex which seems unnecessary and detracts from the real problem at hand.
Marilyn Shepherd | Posted on 14 February 2012, 03:03AM | Report comment
Can someone shut Sandi Logan up.
Victoria of Perth | Posted on 14 February 2012, 01:00AM | Report comment
Amnesty Int now spends most of its time currying favour with the political elites. Gone form most of their reports is the edgy critique of years gone by. The questions Alex asks are insulting in the extreme. Why aren’t Amnesty liaising with activist groups prior to these trips? We could suggest ways of getting the real truth rather then the manufactured confection being served up here! It’s like this woman has no clue!
Marilyn Shepherd | Posted on 13 February 2012, 08:20PM | Report comment
And that moron Chris Uhlmann on the now worthless 7.30 just asked Gueterres if Malaysia was a good place for refugee protection, he could have read their bloody website.
Or listened to the high court saying it was illegal to shove away refugees.